{"id":579,"date":"2025-04-04T05:58:30","date_gmt":"2025-04-04T05:58:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/oceanrabble.org\/?page_id=579"},"modified":"2026-08-11T11:15:41","modified_gmt":"2026-08-11T09:15:41","slug":"comparable-projects","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/oceanrabble.org\/?page_id=579","title":{"rendered":"Comparable ships & projects"},"content":{"rendered":"

In terms of the main building material, Spirit yachts<\/em><\/strong><\/a> and Lyman-Morse<\/em><\/strong><\/a> are good examples of excellent wood-epoxy laminates. Regarding the size, Stad Amsterdam<\/em><\/strong> and the Hermione<\/em> are worth mentioning. The latter was also carried out as a public construction project with crowd participation. The ship that most closely matches our vision of what Zo\u00e9 should look like is the Norwegian training ship S\u00f8rlandet<\/em><\/strong>. In terms of her dimensions, lines, and rigging, she is probably the best ship for comparison. Her hull, however, is made of steel.<\/p>\n\n\n

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S\u00f8rlandet<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

S\u00f8rlandet is a Norwegian heritage tall ship and one of very few full-rigged ships in the world.[1] She is the senior of the existing Norwegian built square riggers, and for more than 50 years she has held a central position in the education and training of young people. She is the second oldest of three Norwegian tall ships, the \u201cGreat Trio of Norway\u201d, which besides her includes Statsraad Lehmkuhl and Christian Radich.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%B8rlandet_(ship)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.fullriggeren.no<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>

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Reconstrution of French frigate Hermione<\/em> (1779\/ 2014)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Hermione is a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns, completed in Rochefort by the Asselin organisation in 2014. It is a reproduction of the 1779 Hermione, which achieved fame by ferrying General La Fayette to the United States in 1780 to allow him to rejoin the American side in the American Revolutionary War.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Construction<\/h4>\n

This project was conceived by members of the Centre International de la Mer in 1992, and construction began in 1997, envisaging a launch in April 2015 (as compared to the original, which took less than a year to build).<\/p>\n

The shipyard was in one of the two dry docks beside the Corderie Royale at Rochefort.<\/p>\n

As far as possible, traditional construction methods were used although modern power tools were substituted for the period tools on some jobs. The site is open to the public, and admission fees help fund the project.<\/p>\n

Plans of a sister ship, Concorde, were used. The cost was estimated to be $22 million.[2] The original plans had been modified in several ways for reasons of strength and safety: planks had been bolted rather than pegged to avoid movement during the long period of construction. Similarly, the mast sections were fastened with glue rather than metal hoops to avoid water penetration. The cannons are lightweight and non-functional to save weight. Manilla rope has been used for the majority of the rigging and the sails made of linen canvas.<\/p>\n

An engine will be used for safety, and electric generators for lighting and basic amenities.<\/p>\n\n\n

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History<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Name Hermione, ordered 1995
Builder Asselin at Rochefort
Laid down 1997, launched 6 July 2012<\/p>\n\n\n\n

General characteristics<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Displacement 1,166 tons
Length 65 m (213 ft)
Beam 11.24 m (36.9 ft)
Height 54 m (177 ft)
Draught 5.78 m (19.0 ft)
Propulsion Sails, auxiliary engine
Sail plan full-rigged ship

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Comparability:<\/h4>\n

Hermione, with a displacement of 1,166 tons, is about 1.6 times heavier than \u0396\u03c9\u03ae. Her proportions are completely different because, as an 18th-century ship, she is much more \u2018baroque\u2019. In summary, you could say that she is one and a half times \u2018larger\u2018. Her construction is traditional (with the associated problems – total loss of the hull after only 9 years!) and in no way comparable to the modern epoxy-wood laminate. Nevertheless, this project gives a good idea of the size dimensions on the one hand, and on the other hand because it was also a public construction show.<\/p>\n

Further information:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Wikipedia article<\/a><\/p>\n

Construction of Hermione – YouTube<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n

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Twin brigantines Irving Johnson<\/em> and Exy Johnson<\/em><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Another example is the so-called twin brigantines. The two much smaller sister ships built by the Los Angeles Maritime Institute from 1998 are not really comparable in terms of dimensions. But they are also a good example of a public construction show.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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Ship Story Spotlight \u2013 Building of the Brigantines<\/h4>\n

20 years ago, Los Angeles Maritime Institute staff and volunteers completed the ambitious undertaking to build from the keel up twin 110-ft brigantines designed explicitly for youth education, sail training, and open-ocean voyages. The construction took place in the center of what is now LA\u2019s Waterfront. It was a phenomenal endeavor exemplifying the commitment to LAMI\u2019s mission and the vision of founder and experiential-education pioneer Captain Jim Gladson.<\/p>\n

Why is there a hole in one of the bunks on each Brigantine?!<\/b><\/p>\n

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Berth 84, Foot of Sixth Street, San Pedro \u2026 Sometime in the spring of 1998\u2026<\/p>\n

The keels were laid and signed. Some boatwrights were busy sorting the frames while others fitted together the pieces to form the cutwater and the stem. The public watched from outside the \u201cBrigantine Boat Works\u201d and were invited to take free weekend tours, led by trained volunteer docents.<\/p>\n

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At the conclusion of one of these tours, an unusually tall gentleman who took delight in describing himself as 5 foot 16 was inspecting the \u201cscrap bin.\u201d He approached the docent and asked if he could buy some leftover pieces of Purpleheart wood. The docent said \u201cTalk to Captain Jim in the office.\u201d<\/p>\n

In the office, the tall gentleman introduced himself as Bill Kelly, President of the El Camino Wood Turners Guild. Hearing Bill\u2019s request, LAMI founder Captain Jim Gladson said, \u201cI won\u2019t sell you those pieces of wood, I\u2019ll give them to you.\u201d Before Bill could respond, Jim went on, \u201cBut, for every two pieces we give you, we\u2019d like a finished turning that we can sell at our fundraiser.\u201d<\/p>\n

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That was the start of a long and mutually beneficial relationship. An example of what many call \u201cLAMI Magic.\u201d The Woodturners did indeed bring back beautiful pieces of turned wood art that raised substantial funds. More importantly, they donated their labor, machines, and tools to create every piece of turned wood on both brigantines. All the spindles on the taff rails and the fife rails, all the belaying pins, even the bezels around the bunk lights, to name just a few.<\/p>\n

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Bill also became a valued volunteer. He loved sailing on the multi-day voyages. He taught the kids to make their own Monkey Fists. The kids loved him.<\/p>\n

Bill Kelly passed on in the Fall of 2017. Bill\u2019s profoundly positive impact and the beautiful turned-wood fixtures continue to be essential ship elements and are maintained with care. LAMI friends and loved ones held an at-sea memorial for Bill on the brigantines in January 2018.<\/p>\n

There is a single bunk in the crew quarters on\u00a0Irving<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0Exy<\/em>\u00a0where the bulkhead at the foot of the bunk has an opening where Bill\u2019s feet just fit.\u00a0\u00a0It\u2019s rumored that Bill, being the salesman that he was, talked the master boat builder into making that modification.<\/p>\n

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Stad Amsterdam<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Stad Amsterdam (City of Amsterdam) is a three-masted clipper that was built in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in 2000 at the Damen Shipyard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The ship was designed by Gerard Dijkstra who modelled her after the mid-19th century frigate Amsterdam, but she is not a replica. A major difference is that her hull is made of steel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stad_Amsterdam<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.stadamsterdam.com\/en<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>

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Georg Stage<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Georg Stage (II) is a Danish iron-hulled, fully rigged, three-masted sailing ship. With a length between perpendiculars of 36 meters, she is considerably smaller than Zo\u00e9 and probably the smallest full-rigged ship in the world. Quite a few people also say she is the most beautiful \u2013 so far \ud83d\ude09 <\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Georg_Stage<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/georgstage.dk<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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Europa<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Europa is a barque with dimensions similar to those of the Georg Stage. She cruises worldwide and accepts paying voyage crew (trainees) for short or long trip segments. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Europa_(barque)<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.barkeuropa.com\/en<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>

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